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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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episode number

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616 for the 2nd of august

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2020 richard saunders here with you from

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sydney australia

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looking at the skeptic zone studio

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window here a little porthole what is it

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it's uh

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oh looks like it's going to be a nice

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sunny day maybe a little bit on the

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chilly side

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but let's spare a thought right at the

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top of the show for our friends family

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and colleagues living in victoria and

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especially in melbourne

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where the situation over the last week

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has dramatically got worse

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with more infections reported and

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sadly more people succumbing to covet 19

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and the word on the street is that well

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any day now and maybe even by the time

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you're hearing this if you're hearing it

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a bit later in the week

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melbourne and or the state of victoria

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are going to be going into stage 4

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lockdowns or something like that

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so a big shout out to our uh relatively

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new reporter michelle bickersma

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who does live in the melbourne area and

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all our friends and colleagues and

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family

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in that part of the country and i'm sure

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it won't surprise you it won't come as

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any surprise to anyone

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that on the show today we do cover

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stories uh

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in regards to covert 19 well a couple

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anyway

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we're going to start with a good story

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if there is can be a good story in all

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this there

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is when we read that

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a councillor in the blue mountains which

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is an area just to the west

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of sydney has uh decided that

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that local area will ban the vaxxed

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bus that awful bus which is on hiatus at

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the moment i think

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touring queensland

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promoting its conspiracy theories

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and probably very poor

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advice when it comes to vaccines

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generally

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and curve at 19. so a good news story

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coming up

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soon then we have highlights from the

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very

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uh recent australian skeptics newsletter

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find out what's happening around the

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skeptical world with little bits of

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information

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then come an ease drop

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ease drop on a recent meeting i had just

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a few days ago with a group of skeptics

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from all over the united states as we

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worked on the great prediction project

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now this is something i've been doing

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with some help before

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about four years now marking the

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homework of australian psychics how good

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we have two thousand plus

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predictions to work our way through and

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with the help of susan gerbic

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she set up a big zoom meeting and we

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worked for about four hours in the end

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did dozens and dozens of predictions

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researching and scoring and marking and

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after that we have a very strange story

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of somebody who not only was happy to be

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abducted by a ufo but

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paid for the privilege well okay that's

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coming up a bit later on then to round

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an interesting story harking back to the

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good old days of skepticism ghosts

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ghosts i tell you ghosts a story about

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um these apps you can get on your

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cell phone that that claim to be able to

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channel ghost voices via

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evps oh i do like that old-fashioned

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skepticism

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but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs make a

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a big pot of boiling water and put in

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corn for corn on the gob

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not popcorn corn on the cob haven't had

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that for a long time

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does the trick hmm how long has it been

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nice corn on the cob oh yes

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while i do that i hope you enjoy the

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[Applause]

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now last week on the skeptic zone we

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brought you the

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press statement the general public

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information

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statement from australian skeptics about

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the vaxxed bus

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which will forever in my heart be known

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as the vexed bus

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touring regional australia that was

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queensland and if you recall the

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australian skeptics put out a release

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warning people about this uh bus touring

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i need my thesaurus just look up bizarre

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conspiracy theories propagated by the

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organizers or the people behind the

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australian vaccination

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risks network such as chem

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vaccines could contain microchips covert

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don't wear masks or advising people that

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if they wear masks

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they should choose ones with big holes

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now what's come to our attention in the

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and maybe maybe it's a result of the

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uh activism by the australian skeptics

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is the headline council bands

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vaxxed bus from blue mountains council

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venues now the blue mountains is a

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region just to the west of sydney

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particularly particularly nice beautiful

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area with wonderful scenic lookouts and

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rolling hills and dense woodland and

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things like that

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and it actually snows up there in the

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wintertime and in fact

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it's not unknown for sydney ciders to uh

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and have some fun in the snow from time

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anyway one of the local politicians

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counselor brendan christie posted this

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the anti-vaxx tour bus has been denied

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this group is encouraging mass

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gatherings against the public health

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order they believe covert 19 is a

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quote scamdemic end quote they are

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crossing rural

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and regional australia whose hospitals

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least capable of coping with a pandemic

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on a quote listening tour end quote

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unfortunately mass gatherings of the

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size they propose are against the public

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they don't care about infecting the high

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as it's quote just the flu

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as the husband of a woman in the high

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risk category and as the father who's

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watched his son when he was three on a

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in this stance so that's very very good

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news indeed

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the vexed bus is now finished its

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it's very important for local councils

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to make a stand and we applaud and

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on his strong stand in this issue being

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forewarned is being forearmed

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and i think that released by the

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australian skeptic certainly gives

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councillors and the media and local

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very important information in case this

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heads their way don't forget you can

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anti-mask psychic cut off

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what a study by imperial college london

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using vast monitoring networks of

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and quote said seismologist stephen

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hicks of imperial college

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well how about that

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the next item along says bbc3

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exposes dangerous cancer claims a new

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bbc three documentary

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shows the dangerously misleading claims

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made by alternative cancer clinics and

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ineffective thermography scans are

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giving cancer patients

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an inaccurate view of their prognosis

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the documentary investigates the

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cure industry the uk's good thinking

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our friend michael marshall and co has

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been working with the bbc since

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september last year to share its

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of the therapies and treatments promoted

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now there are lots more little news

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items and bits of information listed in

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quickly here

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webinar august the 16th success and

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failures of science skepticism

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and critical thinking canberra skeptics

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have organized an online webinar

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for the 16th of august looking at

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science and skepticism

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events over the past 12 months have

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demonstrated

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the vital role science skepticism and

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critical thinking play in society

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yet many of these events have also shown

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that science skepticism and critical

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thinking

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is failing to effectively counter

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anti-science attitudes this online panel

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session will

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provide an opportunity for discussion on

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precisely why

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it is and what can be done to rectify

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the situation

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the panel will also look at where

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science skepticism and critical thinking

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has succeeded and what can be done to

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ensure that success

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continues the panel will feature

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richard saunders producer the skeptic's

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own podcast

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and i will be hosting that event susan

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gerbic founder of guerilla skepticism on

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wikipedia

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dr stephen novella neurologist skeptic's

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guide to the universe

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and jessica singer the president of

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australian skeptics inc

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the session will run from 10 a.m to 11

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sunday the 16th of august registration

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and i will actually link separately to

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that

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webinar in this week's show notes

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and the last little item here is webinar

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august

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21st physics in the pub

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physics in the pub has gone virtual

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digitizing and uploading its scientists

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for an online webinar

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about the complex protein structures in

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our cells

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our tiny magnets can cure cancer and the

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philosophy of everything

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wow that's quite a interesting lineup of

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this event takes place on friday august

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from 6 p.m and it looks like

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there will also be songs and quizzes

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what happens it's free to register for

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so that's just a few items here and

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especially online that's why skeptical

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the and lord co-host of point of inquiry

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because even though so much has been

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down big ideas can't be contained

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i'm with a group of skeptics from all

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over the united states as it happens

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headed up by susan gerbic and we're all

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working on

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the great australian prediction project

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and

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right now what do we what's the subject

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of our focus

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it's johnny depp johnny depp

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for in the year 2014 a psychic a mystic

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by the name of jeffrey hunt

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made a prediction that johnny depp would

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be turning 51 well that's not a

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prediction he was turning 51 in the year

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and this year this year and may be a

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factor in his new

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philanthropic i can't even say it

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attitude

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fundraising and giving to the hungry

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is to become his new passion and the

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media will lionize him for his efforts

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so what we have to do now is in all our

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computers around the australia and the

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united states as well researching this

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now what have we found mostly wrong

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mostly wrong or vague extremely vague

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vague is has anyone found any references

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to johnny depp being

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giving to the hungry fundraising and

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forgiving to the house might give

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someone a sandwich at some point you

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know i'm not eating this you want this

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to come out of a restaurant with

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leftovers you know we have to have some

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citation for that

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are you hungry yeah i am i think does it

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count if he fed

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his dog maybe not maybe not

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so at the moment that that's interesting

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because

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people it's so easy to make predictions

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but for us poor people on the coal face

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trying to work out whether they're true

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or not

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involves a lot of research and we've

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been at this for

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what just over well two hours i think

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and it's a lot of fun but it's not it's

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not as easy as one might think

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susan go back yeah absolutely because

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the

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lot of

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may happen might happen and

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it's a lot of things about their

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personality that they're a loving caring

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person this may be a turbulent year for

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them

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maybe in case it's possible they might

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have trouble with some aspect of their

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life but it's

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how do you check that and you can read

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into it in fact

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several times we've had these in front

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of us and people on the team are

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starting to try to fit it to something

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yes i'm noticing that and that's

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interesting is how we're trying to make

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it

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might be

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which is what we all do when we get a

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psychic reading we're human beings we

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want to make a connection

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oh here we go this is a dead-on hit

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johnny depp

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paid his ex-wife a settlement of seven

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million dollars

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which she donated to charity oh no she

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donated at the charity and i'm sorry

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that was

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chair

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so we have to remember always where

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applicable we confine

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ourselves to the year of the prediction

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so this prediction was for

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the year 2014. so we're really looking

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for

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cases where the media have praised

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johnny depp for his

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good deeds so to speak food white so

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that's what

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we're we're researching at the moment

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but who else have we been looking at uh

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brad pitt has come up quite a bit today

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um

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nicole kidman uh

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jennifer aniston yeah lindsay lohan

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tiger woods yeah and barack obama barack

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obama donald trump we were looking at

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earlier before

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you also have to note the um the things

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that are missing

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such as the ebola outbreak in 2014 or

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the malaysian airlines

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that's you know you make a really good

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point i talked about those

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in 2013. you make a really good point

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and and it's possible once

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this is more complete i might go back

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and look at the major events for each

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year

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and just make a list of maybe 10 major

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events for this year

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that nobody predicted which happens

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every year of course there are major

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events that just come out of nowhere

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like

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um well let's say go for 19.

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you know we want to see we want to see

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anything before

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let's say october of 2019 or someone

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said something about it yeah yeah

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although i think there's um wasn't there

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a silvia brown quote about a virus

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coming out of china

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from a book from 20 years ago something

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like that and there's also a psychic

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here in this country who reckons he

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predicted it five years ago which i i

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wrote about in the skeptic magazine here

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in australia yeah and max brooks uh

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is in his book i forget the name he

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predicted that the virus would come out

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of china which had just come out of

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china that year

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so ours had come out of china so excuse

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the headline to

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make a not a prediction of a science

577
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:42,480
fiction book return

578
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:44,000
brown's prediction was a little vague

579
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:45,679
like that also and ben radford wrote an

580
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,000
article

581
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,320
for skeptical choir about it yeah

582
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:50,159
returning to johnny depp for a minute i

583
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:51,760
found the list of 19

584
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:54,240
charities which he is supporting none of

585
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:55,520
which appear to be

586
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:57,679
anything to do with the homeless now

587
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:59,919
maybe because i don't know what they are

588
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:00,320
but

589
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:04,000
several of them were animal rights

590
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:07,679
and unite for japan ronald mcdonald

591
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,240
house

592
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:10,320
yeah environmental justice the

593
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:11,279
foundation

594
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:13,840
children's hospital is he known for a

595
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:15,039
long-term

596
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:18,240
uh support of worthy causes i mean going

597
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:19,919
back before 2014

598
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:23,440
no idea right celebrity's usually shamed

599
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,120
at some point in to introduce

600
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:27,440
into uh doing that sort of things but

601
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:28,960
this this one is very pretty

602
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:31,520
it's very specific it is it's about him

603
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:32,159
fundraising

604
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:35,600
to the hungry passion right and i don't

605
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:36,159
see that

606
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:38,880
yeah and and we can't see any clear

607
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:40,960
reference to that i mean he

608
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:43,360
look if the man is is generous and gives

609
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:45,440
to various charities along the way which

610
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:48,240
which is a good thing then we can't find

611
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,840
here that

612
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:52,320
giving to the hungry will be his new you

613
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:53,120
know become his

614
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:55,200
new passion and the media will lionize

615
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:57,120
him for his efforts

616
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,600
we're not finding anything yeah the

617
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:01,200
media lionizing part because a lot of

618
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:03,039
times when people donate

619
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,720
unless they're trying to make it a pr

620
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:06,480
stunt you might not ever hear about it

621
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:07,679
they just donate

622
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:11,760
i found an article from 2017

623
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:14,799
that the link in google

624
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:17,200
has a different headline than the link

625
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:18,320
on the web

626
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:26,789
so in google it said

627
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:29,120
johnny depp gives millions to charity

628
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:31,120
every year

629
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:34,480
the article is johnny depp's charitable

630
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:35,600
splurges

631
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:38,720
outweigh his alleged 30 000 a month

632
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:42,240
wine expenses well which is a

633
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:45,360
very different slant

634
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:47,200
well you know what i'm going to put in

635
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:48,720
in the comments section i'll put

636
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:49,760
something to the

637
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:53,679
extent of uh nothing nothing reported

638
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:56,400
specifically that makes this prediction

639
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,120
bear out however he is noted for his

640
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:01,440
charitable contributions which would be

641
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:02,559
fair enough i think

642
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:04,480
sure richard i wanted to make sure we

643
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:06,320
tell everybody who's listening

644
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:09,279
yep that we are probably going to do

645
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,720
more of these sessions and if they're

646
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:12,159
interested they should

647
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:15,520
come over to um facebook

648
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:18,559
and look at my facebook feed every once

649
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:19,760
in a while

650
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,880
or something because i put out a

651
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:24,240
i didn't put out you know what would

652
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:25,679
probably be the best thing they could do

653
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:26,159
is

654
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,720
on facebook uh today being the 28th of

655
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:34,320
july they can look that up on my

656
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:35,440
facebook feed

657
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,720
and like it and post on it saying you'd

658
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:40,240
like to be notified if there's another

659
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:41,679
one of these and when

660
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,520
and we'll send a link to them hopefully

661
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:45,200
they'll be able to join us because it's

662
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:45,600
kind of

663
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,840
you could drop in hang out for a little

664
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:49,279
bit leave you can drop in that's not

665
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:50,480
something yeah i'll drop in and now

666
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,919
we're gonna break out into small teams

667
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:53,440
but we decided we have a small enough

668
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:54,559
group that we could probably just

669
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:55,760
discuss it together

670
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:57,279
but if we got a bigger group we could do

671
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,600
smaller teams how will you

672
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:01,520
provide this information for those of us

673
00:28:04,990 --> 00:28:04,000
fortunate enough not to be on facebook

674
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,000
psychics

675
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:07,440
[Laughter]

676
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:11,039
i'll email you i'll email you well

677
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:13,039
ask paula she's the best at doing that

678
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:21,990
so are are we going to make anything

679
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:24,159
about the word new here

680
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:26,000
right fundraising for giving to the

681
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:27,279
hunger is to be his

682
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:30,320
new passion and also may be a factor in

683
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:30,640
his

684
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,320
new philanthropic attitudes i mean if

685
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:34,240
he's been philanthropic his whole life

686
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:36,159
before he turned 51 then the thing is a

687
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,279
croc to begin with

688
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:39,440
yeah i i'm marking this one as wrong

689
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:40,960
simply because it's very

690
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:43,039
i think it's very precise what this the

691
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:45,120
so-called psychic is getting out here

692
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,559
and this is one of the problems folks

693
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:48,720
we've been having we've

694
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:50,960
we're not arguing over the task the case

695
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:52,000
here that we're having

696
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:54,159
sometimes the discussions go on for

697
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,240
quite a long time before we reach

698
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:58,159
a conclusion it's not it's not as easy

699
00:29:01,750 --> 00:29:00,159
as yes they got it or no they didn't get

700
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:01,760
it i think we're being very

701
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:04,799
very um good to the psychic i think

702
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:06,159
we're bending over

703
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:07,760
to help them yeah very charitable i

704
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:10,480
think they're giving them almost the

705
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,320
benefit of the doubt in some cases maybe

706
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:14,240
to an extent we probably shouldn't but

707
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:15,039
you know

708
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:16,799
maybe maybe we should invite ray to

709
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:25,350
compared to who yeah and one more

710
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,559
and you folks at home can just

711
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,399
uh enjoy this too i'm just putting it

712
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:32,080
into the group now here it is

713
00:29:36,110 --> 00:29:34,559
it's miley cyrus and this prediction was

714
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:36,120
made on the 1st of january

715
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:40,080
2014. oh this has got a specific in here

716
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:41,520
it says she's going to create her own

717
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:43,760
record label and sign other art

718
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:47,760
artists and this is 2014.

719
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:49,360
let me read out the prediction miley

720
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:50,880
cyrus she is

721
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:53,200
a business genius and will create her

722
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:54,720
own record label and sign

723
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:58,000
other artists she is a dark horse very

724
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:58,799
calculated

725
00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:00,960
incredibly ambitious and people

726
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:01,919
underestimate

727
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:05,120
just how astute she is definitely one

728
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:08,159
to watch this year so now we go and see

729
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:10,320
what miley cyrus was up to in the year

730
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,360
2014.

731
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:13,679
i um i have some inside information on

732
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:15,279
her

733
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,159
one of my friends a woman who got me a

734
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:19,840
job she's a headhunter

735
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,600
her husband is a business manager for

736
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,840
the woman named melanie who had a hit in

737
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:27,360
the early 70s

738
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,240
and he was trying to become miley

739
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:31,919
cyrus's manager

740
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:34,480
and he went out to meet her and they

741
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,919
spent a lot of time with her and it

742
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:37,760
turns out she's a really really nice

743
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:38,399
person

744
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:41,679
and everything she does her sexual

745
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,159
things and stuff is all calculated

746
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:46,080
to make her fame she's very smart

747
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:48,720
business person is she's still with rca

748
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:51,760
what's that i'm not sure i'll try it i

749
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:53,679
could contact my friend and see if

750
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,799
there's any more but

751
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:56,880
they spent some time in trying to win

752
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:59,039
her over to become her manager and they

753
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:00,080
didn't get the job

754
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:03,519
is she a dark horse well

755
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,960
whatever that is she's always been in

756
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,480
the news i don't think she's ever been

757
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,760
discounted as a

758
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:09,679
well let's concentrate let's concentrate

759
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,519
on the definite prediction here

760
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:13,919
uh which is she will create and own her

761
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:16,000
own record label and sign other artists

762
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:18,159
did she create a new record label and

763
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,110
everything else so now we're all running

764
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:27,120
to our various sources wiki and

765
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:29,360
the internet and other sources and

766
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:31,440
incidentally

767
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:35,200
mail which is a newspaper here in

768
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:36,399
australia

769
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:39,600
and ev all for all these predictions all

770
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:42,000
2000 plus i've actually got in my

771
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,120
archives the files i've got the original

772
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:47,039
copy from the newspaper or the original

773
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:48,880
recording or whatever so we can always

774
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,799
go back and double check

775
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:52,320
and when it comes out and people start

776
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:54,159
to complain

777
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:57,120
that that we've been unfair we can

778
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:58,880
always go back to the original and say

779
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:00,080
no this is what they actually

780
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:02,240
said i see nothing about her making a

781
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:03,200
record

782
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:06,240
label no i haven't found that either i'm

783
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:06,880
just saying

784
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:09,760
either hollywood records an rca did it

785
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:15,990
no it doesn't say rca in this well yeah

786
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:17,039
but

787
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:18,720
i see things about it i'm only seeing

788
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:20,720
her traditional record labels not her

789
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:22,000
own

790
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:25,279
record label

791
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,279
you don't know that this one would be

792
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:31,919
called well look on her wikipedia page

793
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:33,679
is there anything on there that says she

794
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:35,679
i think i think if she created her own

795
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:37,840
record label and signed other artists i

796
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:38,799
think that would be

797
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:42,240
um listed or known or registered

798
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:44,159
if you put in miley cyrus record label

799
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:45,519
and you don't get

800
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:49,120
a hit then it's not there right

801
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:51,519
so discount the fact that she signed

802
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:52,559
other people because

803
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:55,120
if you don't have it's hard to sign

804
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:56,799
people to things that don't exist

805
00:33:02,710 --> 00:32:59,360
yeah well i don't know people do it all

806
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,310
so broadly i guess we could put mark

807
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:06,960
this prediction generally is simply

808
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:08,399
wrong

809
00:33:11,549 --> 00:33:10,000
yeah the part about the record

810
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:11,559
definitely is certainly

811
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:14,559
998 predictions to go

812
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,080
that's right thanks for ease dropping uh

813
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,320
skeptic zone listeners in on our little

814
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:22,240
uh session here as i said we've been

815
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,600
going for over two hours now

816
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:25,360
we'll stick at it a bit longer and find

817
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:26,799
out lots

818
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,559
more interesting predictions to score

819
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:30,240
and mark thank you everybody for coming

820
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:32,240
along for this first day to help me out

821
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:39,600
come and come and hang out with us guys

822
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:58,950
to the proprietor ufo

823
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:01,120
interplanetary and interdimensional

824
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:02,480
tours

825
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:13,909
yes sir i am writing to you

826
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:18,399
to complement you

827
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:21,760
and your company on the thrilling

828
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:32,389
by myself and members of my club

829
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:35,919
the believers in extraterrestrial

830
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:39,679
entities from pluto club or

831
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:45,909
we were amazed

832
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:48,960
at how well the advanced alien

833
00:34:56,430 --> 00:34:52,960
cloaking technology worked as none of us

834
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:56,440
could tell that the

835
00:35:03,990 --> 00:34:59,680
1982 vw van used

836
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:04,000
to transport us into the cosmos

837
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:07,760
was in fact an imperial shuttle craft

838
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:16,950
the rust along the doors

839
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:20,320
and the smoky exhaust were

840
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:29,270
i have been asked however to confirm

841
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:30,079
with you

842
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:33,119
that our group did in fact travel the

843
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:42,390
promised in the brochure as our journey

844
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:43,680
to the planet

845
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:47,920
grizzly seemed a close approximation

846
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:52,640
of a journey on the m1 motorway

847
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:55,280
followed by a picnic on the hawkesbury

848
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:56,960
river

849
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:00,960
imagine our surprise to discover that

850
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:04,320
cold hot dogs and

851
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:07,440
cheap wine are also to be found

852
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:19,190
yours etc and etc

853
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:23,589
ps may we now remove the special

854
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:26,000
ultra thin flexible silver head

855
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:27,359
protectors

856
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,829
now every now and then on the skeptic

857
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:57,599
zone podcast you'll hear me talk about

858
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:58,720
the

859
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:01,920
skeptics

860
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:03,599
now it's a big crossover between the

861
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,520
skeptic zone podcast and the australian

862
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:07,599
skeptics but the two organizations

863
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:10,960
are unique individual separate from each

864
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:12,960
other but yes there's a huge crossover

865
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,640
and that's great because i get to

866
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,640
contribute to the australian skeptics as

867
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:20,320
i've done for many years

868
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:22,640
and the australian skeptics contribute

869
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:31,349
but getting back to the magazine the

870
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:32,800
journal this skeptic

871
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:34,960
is free to download from skeptics.com

872
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,079
today you

873
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:38,160
well that is all back issues apart from

874
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:39,119
the last uh

875
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:42,320
four or five so this issue

876
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:45,839
which we will look at today is volume 39

877
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:46,720
number two from

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00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,079
june 2019 this issue is now online

879
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:52,400
free for you to peruse at your leisure

880
00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:53,839
and download

881
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:55,760
put onto your smartphone your tablet or

882
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:56,960
whatever you want

883
00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:00,640
and enjoy so to whet your appetite

884
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:02,000
i thought i would read one of the

885
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:04,320
articles from this issue

886
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:05,680
and it's something close to my heart

887
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:07,920
good old-fashioned skepticism

888
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:11,440
in this case it's ghosts yes

889
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:14,480
ghosts and spirits and the story

890
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:18,320
is ghost in a box

891
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:21,280
want to talk with dead people ari moore

892
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:22,160
says

893
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,870
it doesn't take much time on youtube

894
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,040
before the video hosting

895
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:35,760
website's algorithm will automatically

896
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:36,560
recommend

897
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:39,839
a video featuring the paranormal

898
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:42,160
hundreds of paranormal investigation

899
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:43,440
channels promote their

900
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,280
quote research and quote on the platform

901
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:49,680
with larger channels reaching upwards of

902
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:50,400
1

903
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:54,240
million subscribers a recent trend in

904
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:56,720
youtube paranormal entertainment

905
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:00,640
has content creators using smartphone

906
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:05,280
spirit box apps to communicate with

907
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:08,640
whatever spirits and or demons are in

908
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,000
the vicinity

909
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:12,480
while smartphone apps put a new spin on

910
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,119
things

911
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:15,040
the use of modern technology to

912
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,720
communicate with the dead

913
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:19,200
is well established paranormal

914
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:20,880
investigators use

915
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:23,920
quote instrumental trans communication

916
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:27,839
and quote itc to refer to the use of

917
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:30,079
any electronic equipment to communicate

918
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:30,880
with

919
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:33,920
discarnate beings when the device can

920
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:36,160
log audio recordings of

921
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:39,280
spirit voices into their devices such as

922
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:40,160
tape recorders

923
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:43,200
voice recorders and now smartphones

924
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:45,839
this paranormal event is known as

925
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:46,720
electronic

926
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:49,920
voice phenomenon evp

927
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:52,079
adhering to the traditional method

928
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:53,680
paranormal researchers

929
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:57,280
obtain radios with a frequency scanning

930
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:58,079
function

931
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,440
and modify it to continue scanning

932
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:04,000
even when a station is successfully

933
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,960
located

934
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:06,960
playing the frequency of a radio station

935
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:09,280
for a fraction of a second

936
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:12,400
the slices of audio static

937
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:15,280
white noise and interference are then

938
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:16,240
interpreted

939
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:19,040
to contain intentional spirit

940
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:20,400
communications

941
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:23,359
due to the nature of the rapidly

942
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:25,040
changing frequencies

943
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:27,920
evps produced via the traditional radio

944
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:28,800
method

945
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:31,839
are typically limited to single words or

946
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:32,720
phrases of

947
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:35,200
two or three words now i'll just break

948
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:37,359
from the script and give you a little

949
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:41,119
sample of what a traditional spirit box

950
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:43,680
sounds like and this was recorded by me

951
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:45,440
some years ago

952
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:48,800
at the fields of mars cemetery

953
00:41:06,150 --> 00:40:52,079
here in can sydney

954
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:06,160
give us their names

955
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:32,829
are there any ladies here

956
00:41:32,839 --> 00:41:36,470
um

957
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:40,950
we read on smartphone evp apps

958
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:44,000
are known as spirit box or ghost

959
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:47,280
box apps and are readily available for

960
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,079
download

961
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:50,480
on the australian apple and google app

962
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:51,520
stores

963
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:55,280
app developers claim spirit box apps

964
00:41:59,790 --> 00:41:58,560
operate as follows randomization

965
00:42:02,470 --> 00:41:59,800
algorithms

966
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:02,480
spontaneously generate words from

967
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:04,319
phonetic databases

968
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:07,280
spirits are capable of manipulating this

969
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:08,640
random sequence

970
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,599
by selecting words to intentionally

971
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,160
communicate with the questioner

972
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,880
this process of deliberate selection is

973
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:18,640
conducted via manipulating the

974
00:42:24,430 --> 00:42:20,800
smartphone's built-in compass

975
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:24,440
magnetometer and accelerometer and

976
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:26,880
presupposes the spirit's understanding

977
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:29,200
of how to manipulate a hard-coded

978
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:32,960
in bank for which there is no evidence

979
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,440
and its capacity to manipulate the

980
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,040
material world

981
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:39,280
via magnetizing and producing the

982
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:40,160
effects of

983
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:43,200
acceleration in the space surrounding

984
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:44,640
the smartphone

985
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:47,520
curiously the audio output of many of

986
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,119
the iphone spirit box

987
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:52,160
apps retain the sounds produced by the

988
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,000
radio frequency scanners of

989
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:57,040
traditional evp research channel

990
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:57,839
flicking

991
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,720
single words white noise random musical

992
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:02,240
interference

993
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:05,440
even though all recent iphones do not

994
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:06,079
contain

995
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:09,200
fm radio chips or have antennas capable

996
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:10,240
of supporting

997
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:14,560
fm signals while i have been unable to

998
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:15,680
locate a more

999
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:17,680
satisfactory technical account of a

1000
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:19,119
spirit box apps

1001
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:21,760
functionality the technical problems

1002
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:23,680
arising from the functionality of these

1003
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,400
apps

1004
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:26,880
are far from limited to what only an app

1005
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:29,200
developer could comprehend

1006
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:32,000
paranormal investigators who use the

1007
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:33,920
radio frequency scanner method

1008
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:36,160
have dismissed recording apps on

1009
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,440
smartphones

1010
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:39,680
as they cannot produce high quality

1011
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:41,119
recordings

1012
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,760
in addition traditional investigators

1013
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,119
seek to produce evp

1014
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,480
recordings in acoustically controlled

1015
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:50,960
circumstances typically a recording

1016
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:51,760
studio

1017
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,800
to prevent contamination from ambient

1018
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,079
background noise

1019
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:58,720
youtubers famous for spirit box apps

1020
00:44:03,030 --> 00:43:59,839
investigations

1021
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:03,040
however frequently record in loud public

1022
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,839
environments

1023
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:06,000
such as churches located in popular

1024
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,599
suburban areas

1025
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:09,280
and are satisfied that the iphone

1026
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:11,119
recording capability

1027
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:14,319
inbuilt into these spirit box apps is

1028
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:15,119
sufficient

1029
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:18,480
to capture convincing evps

1030
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:22,319
perhaps surprisingly the majority of epv

1031
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:25,680
investigations are concluded by amateur

1032
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:27,760
researchers without the knowledge or

1033
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:28,400
resource

1034
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:32,720
to produce credible scientific research

1035
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:35,839
simple tests moving beyond technical

1036
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:36,640
problems

1037
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:39,680
the legitimacy of spirit box apps

1038
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:42,079
could be dismissed via simple home

1039
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:43,760
experimentation

1040
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:46,079
many international users have reported

1041
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:47,680
apps poorly

1042
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,160
complaining that while they are in a

1043
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:52,560
country of non-english speakers

1044
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:55,040
the multiple spirit voices coming

1045
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:56,160
through

1046
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:59,200
are all in english in addition

1047
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:02,160
app reviewers have noticed that if two

1048
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:04,000
phones are placed side by side

1049
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:07,680
and made to run the same spirit box app

1050
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,079
at the same time they will produce

1051
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:12,640
entirely different evps

1052
00:45:16,109 --> 00:45:15,200
despite the immediate surrounding area

1053
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:16,119
being

1054
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,359
manipulated by the spirit containing

1055
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:21,119
both phones

1056
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:24,560
it is also curious that while the

1057
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:25,280
deceased

1058
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:28,400
person producing the evps

1059
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:31,760
may not have been tech literate

1060
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,560
enough to turn on a computer or lived

1061
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:36,240
during a time when computers

1062
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:39,520
existed in the afterlife they have

1063
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:41,920
attained a complete understanding of a

1064
00:45:47,309 --> 00:45:44,480
smartphone's inner workings

1065
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,319
it seems that upon death we are

1066
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:49,599
spontaneously granted

1067
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:52,720
among consciousness memory

1068
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:55,680
and the ability to manipulate magnetic

1069
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:56,720
poles

1070
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,119
radio frequencies and the material realm

1071
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:03,599
full comprehension of the coding of

1072
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:05,280
smartphone apps

1073
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:08,960
and how to control them there is also

1074
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:11,119
considerable biases

1075
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:13,599
and a lack of information to support the

1076
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:14,720
claims made by

1077
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,000
spirit box app developers frequently the

1078
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:19,920
app description or blogs

1079
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:23,200
will tout that other apps are fake

1080
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:26,319
but theirs is authentic one app blog

1081
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:30,000
charges fake spirit box apps with using

1082
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,319
random word generators overlaid with

1083
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,160
static or white noises

1084
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:36,720
coupled with reverb to produce dramatic

1085
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:37,760
effect

1086
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:40,880
but theirs however was quote one

1087
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:43,680
hundred percent real end quote without

1088
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:45,280
any account as to

1089
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:49,040
why or how it differed many descriptions

1090
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:50,000
use the terms

1091
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:52,800
quote scientifically proven end quote

1092
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:53,760
liberally

1093
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:56,720
without reference to a single study

1094
00:47:02,309 --> 00:46:58,560
while later providing a

1095
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:02,319
legal disclaimer that the accuracy of

1096
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,119
the data

1097
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,040
and messages produced by the software

1098
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:06,960
cannot be guaranteed

1099
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:09,680
placing the onus on app users to produce

1100
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:11,599
convincing results is another

1101
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:14,319
common technique spirits can purportedly

1102
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:15,839
detect an app users

1103
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:18,800
skepticism or negativity but this does

1104
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:19,839
not prevent them

1105
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:22,720
from communicating as frequently and

1106
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:23,680
clearly

1107
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:26,720
as if to a die hard believer instead the

1108
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:29,040
user will not be able to

1109
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:31,839
connect with these statements and as a

1110
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:32,319
result

1111
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:35,599
the process will not work

1112
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:38,960
as a result if a user conducts a spirit

1113
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:39,440
box

1114
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:42,160
session while not persuaded that the app

1115
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:43,200
is legitimate

1116
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:46,480
and then receives unconvincing results

1117
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:51,839
it is their fault the android app

1118
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:56,720
e1 spirit evp goes so far as to directly

1119
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:57,280
request

1120
00:48:01,349 --> 00:48:00,160
of its users quote if you don't

1121
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:01,359
understand it

1122
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:04,400
then please don't rate it end quote

1123
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,280
so why do spirit box apps perpetuate

1124
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:09,680
despite their glaring problems

1125
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:11,839
firstly there is a strong financial

1126
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:14,000
incentive by app developers and youtube

1127
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:15,280
content creators

1128
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:17,599
who profit from video views and

1129
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:18,319
affiliate

1130
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:21,680
sales the most visible spirit box apps

1131
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:24,720
in the youtube space echovox

1132
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:30,319
and necrophonic cost 30.99 australian

1133
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:34,319
and 14.99 australian respectively

1134
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:36,319
youtube content creators are paid

1135
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:38,880
according to ad revenue on their videos

1136
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:42,079
with estimates that one million views

1137
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,160
produces approximately 2 000 us dollars

1138
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,640
for the content generator given that

1139
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:51,119
many spirit box app videos have views in

1140
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:51,839
the

1141
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:57,520
have clear financial incentive to behave

1142
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:58,319
as though

1143
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:01,760
the app is convincingly real

1144
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,400
secondly a scientific explanation for

1145
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:06,480
why people may be convinced that these

1146
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:07,839
apps are real is

1147
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:10,880
well documented auditory

1148
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:14,160
paradolia or false audio pattern

1149
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:15,599
recognition

1150
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:18,079
throw enough randomized english language

1151
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phonemes together

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and an english speaker will

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automatically attempt to

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detect recognizable words in the chaos

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for this reason evp may be considered

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an audio inkblock test a meaningless

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collection of sensory data

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upon which the listener interprets

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according to their personal context

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it is not surprising then that according

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to research

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only 13 of people agreed upon

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what exactly the voice in an evp said

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this agreement dropped to 1 when the

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participants interpretations were

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compared

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with that of a paranormal researchers

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in addition the mere suggestion that the

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voices

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recorded as part of paranormal research

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caused study participants to be more

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likely to hear voices

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in ambiguous stimuli

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spirit box smartphone apps are a great

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example of pseudoscience's consistent

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adaption to the latest technology

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without

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considering the numerous technical

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issues believers cite the

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objectivity of the recorded sounds

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as evidence of the app's credibility

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neglecting that their interpretation of

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these sounds

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as delivering intentional communications

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from the dead

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is almost entirely subjective rather

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than

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endeavoring to produce a scientifically

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credible account of how

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discarnate spirits and or demons

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are capable of manipulating the sensory

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functions of a smartphone to communicate

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it is more realistic to concede to

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occam's razor

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and conclude that spirit box apps

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are a hoax and not a particularly

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complex one

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at that

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about the author ari moore is a

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philosopher

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and writer living in melbourne

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and that was ghost in a box want to talk

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with dead people

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ari moore says there's an app for that

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and you can read that for yourself

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that's on page 40 of the skeptic

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magazine the journal from australian

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skeptics volume 39 number two from june

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2019

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and you can download that whole issue

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for free

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[Music]

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hi this is susan gerbic from gsow

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that's guerrilla skepticism on wikipedia

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i want to thank everyone who

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via the skeptic zone podcast has

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contacted me to become an editor on

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wikipedia

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together we have worked on or created

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over 1200 wikipedia pages

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countless thousands of people all over

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the world access those pages each day

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in fact we're over 52 million page views

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like many listeners i also give back to

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the skeptic zone via monthly

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micropayments

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and i want to encourage you to do the

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same is the information and

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00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:32,000
entertainment

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you get each week from the show worth

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five or ten dollars a month

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i sure think it is follow the link at

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skepticzone.tv

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you

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[Applause]

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:02,559
zone now later on this week

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thursday evening australian time we have

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sydney skeptics in the pub please join

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us online

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00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:10,720
i'll add a link in this week's show

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00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,480
notes always an interesting speaker

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00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:14,880
always a good time i notice there's lots

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of online conventions going on

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00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:19,359
at the moment in fact as i record the

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north

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00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:21,119
east conference of science and

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00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:23,599
skepticism nexus

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00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:27,280
is going on i've seen some of it so far

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00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:29,359
and the production has been great with

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00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:31,359
lots of interaction and people chatting

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00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:33,280
so that's that's really cool

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00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:36,400
i'll have to catch up with it um

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00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:39,440
it happens mostly all night here because

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of the time zones

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but i will catch up with that and on a

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00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:45,119
personal note i'll say i'm a little bit

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00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:46,480
um

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00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,520
wistful and melancholy this august

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00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:51,119
because and i think i mentioned this on

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the show before this is the first august

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since

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something crazy like that

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00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:00,400
where i haven't been able to perform the

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00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:03,119
mystery investigators show normally

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00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:06,400
myself and maynard or ian

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00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:10,000
bryce and in past times dr

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raichi and uh dr chrissy and linda

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00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:15,200
brown uh performed at the australian

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museum the science

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00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:18,559
show the mystery investigators where we

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do water divining which is always a lot

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00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:24,000
of fun we explain the better nails how

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00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:26,160
walking on hot coals works optical

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00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,839
illusions we even go to mars

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00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:30,160
all that sort of stuff for hundreds and

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00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:37,510
and it's just um yeah it's just too bad

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i

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00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:49,760
well let's just look forward to 2021

1280
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when

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the mystery investigators can perform

1282
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:53,359
again

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00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:56,720
and quite frankly too it's a big uh

1284
00:55:02,549 --> 00:54:59,760
block of income also gone this year

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00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:02,559
like many of you i know like many of you

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suddenly

1287
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:06,960
income streams have sort of flowed away

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00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:10,319
at the moment when oh when will i get

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00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:12,480
somebody to stand on my back again while

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00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:14,640
i'm lying down on the bed of nails

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00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:17,760
and before i go just harking back to

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00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:21,760
our earlier stories about the covet 19

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00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:23,839
situation in melbourne facing

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00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:26,880
stricter lockdowns and

1295
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,240
the rise of the anti-mask

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00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:33,119
brigade conspiracy theorists having

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00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:34,640
meetings apparently

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00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:36,799
about not wearing masks turning up to

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00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,200
shops and stores and things like that

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00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:41,440
um to make a pest a nuisance of

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00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:43,920
themselves protesting loudly

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00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,240
that they will not wear a mask you can't

1303
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,240
trample on my rights or

1304
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:50,720
i'm a sovereign citizen or all this sort

1305
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:51,599
of stuff

1306
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:55,440
to show

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00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:58,559
that uh most of the time a lot of the

1308
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:01,440
time we think of these conspiracy theory

1309
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,839
nutters extremists as being a bit

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00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:05,440
amusing

1311
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:09,520
um but generally not too

1312
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:12,799
harmful really well now

1313
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:16,079
this is showing us that they are very

1314
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:18,960
harmful if people are wandering around

1315
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:20,799
infected cities

1316
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:23,920
proudly not wearing masks this can only

1317
00:56:28,829 --> 00:56:25,839
lead to the rate of transmission going

1318
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:28,839
up and more deaths

1319
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:31,839
so i remember my friend tim farley

1320
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:34,079
what's the harm what's the harm in

1321
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,440
believing in

1322
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:37,200
youtube conspiracy theories or

1323
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:38,880
downloading things from the net saying

1324
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:40,559
you have the right to do this and you're

1325
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:42,160
a sovereign citizen and no government

1326
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:44,079
can blah blah blah blah

1327
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:46,799
the harm is people die maybe you have a

1328
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:48,319
thought on that you can always put your

1329
00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:50,319
thoughts about the skeptic zone

1330
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:53,720
under the episode in facebook just go to

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1332
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:58,160
you can click on the facebook link um

1333
00:57:01,990 --> 00:56:59,760
like the skeptics on facebook and

1334
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:02,000
comment away in fact recently people

1335
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:03,680
have been commenting on that poor guy

1336
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,040
and his typewriter

1337
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:07,680
he never seems to win oh and a big thank

1338
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:09,440
you to beth darlington

1339
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:11,119
all the way over there in london who was

1340
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:13,040
the voice on last week's

1341
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:16,640
typewriter time but for this week

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00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:18,960
with our warm wishes and love heading

1343
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:20,720
down to our friends and family and

1344
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:22,240
colleagues in melbourne

1345
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:24,640
and the rest of victoria this is richard

1346
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:26,000
saunders signing off from

1347
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:33,430
you've been listening to the skeptic

1348
00:57:38,109 --> 00:57:34,880
zone podcast

1349
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:38,119
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1350
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:39,440
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00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:42,559
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00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:05,359
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00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:07,119
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00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:07,599
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00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:09,599
are not necessarily those of australian

1364
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:11,520
skeptics or any other

1365
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:28,870
hello to the afterthoughts the people

1366
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:29,520
who listen

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00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:31,359
to the show after the music ends we're

1368
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:32,559
going to play the dice game

1369
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,119
normally it's with a d10 or a d6 today

1370
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:37,200
it's a d30

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00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:39,839
oh yes and if you don't know how this

1372
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:41,119
part of the game works use your

1373
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:42,880
predicting power to

1374
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:45,440
predict the number that's going to come

1375
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,359
up on this d30

1376
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,960
and it's going to make an awful racket

1377
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,400
on the table here

1378
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,559
so i'm going to roll it down on the near

1379
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:54,160
my floor

1380
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:56,799
at the floor at my feet so here we go

1381
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:58,799
i'm going to give it a good

1382
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:02,160
good shake predictor way and

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00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:05,520
number from 1 all the way to 30. first

1384
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:08,160
number is

1385
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:16,150
7. that was the skeptic's own pen

1386
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:17,680
falling on the floor because i'm picking

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00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:20,559
up to write down the number

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00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:32,710
oh extreme number 30.

1389
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:42,950
rolled to a quick stop on number susan

1390
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gerbic

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00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:47,200
are you listening six almost a five

1392
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:49,359
susan sorry about that

1393
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:53,040
today's winning numbers uh seven thirty

1394
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:56,480
and six and of course as ever

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01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:59,119
if you got one or more of those numbers

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or none at all